Why are some nationalities forbiden to play Masters 2?

  • That's because the laws in those countries essentially make it impossible to run a tournament like this there legally.

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  • I am not lawyer, so I can't really explain it in detail. Usually this problem is related to gambling laws that somehow apply to this kinds of contests too. For example it can require to actually send the prices to the government in order to prove they do exist. And depending on the country, it can happen that those prices that are sent to the government are never given back (if no citizen wins) or given to the actual winner.


    It is possible that some companies do this kind of contest anyway, which is most likely related to lack of knowledge about the legal situation.


    If someone has more insight in this, I apologize for my (most likely) very simplistic explanation.

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  • Creating a competition in Italy is not as simple as you might think, because of the complex legislation that requires a series of requirements regulated by the Ministry of Economic Development.


    Whether it's social network contests, photocontests or other types of online contests, if there is a prize that has an economic value (not necessarily money, but also objects, travel, services, etc..) higher than that defined as "minimum value" such as pencils, flags, calendars and so on (update FAQ ministerial July 2018), you must fulfill a number of legal obligations under the rules on contests.

    The Ministry has pointed out, as regards online competitions, that, like "traditional" prize contests, these too, in order not to be considered illegal, must be held on Italian soil (Article 1, paragraph 6 of Presidential Decree 430/2001). From a technical point of view, this means that all participants' data must be stored on Italian servers or "mirrored" (i.e. copied in real time) on Italian servers.


    So, in essence: if we make an online contest we must ensure that the data of the participants are entered on a server in Italy or, if these data are collected through foreign servers (such as Facebook for example), make sure that they are copied immediately on Italian servers, in full compliance with the privacy of users.


    Of course there are exceptions:

    -Competitions for the production of literary, artistic or scientific works, as well as for the presentation of projects or studies in the commercial or industrial field, in which the awarding of the prize to the author of the chosen work has the character of a consideration for the performance of the work or represents the recognition of personal merit or a title of encouragement in the interest of the community; [...]

    -Events in which prizes are made up of items of minimal value, provided that the payment of such prizes is in no way dependent on the nature or extent of the sales to which such offers are linked.

    -Events in which the prizes are awarded to bodies or institutions of a public nature or which have an eminently social or charitable purpose.

  • And why don't let us (italian players) participate without the possibility to win the price? Could it be a solution?

    I think they cannot stop you from starting the server (they probably don't have that kind of information at disposal anyway, you could be a random guy playing from Italy due to holidays for example).


    But yeah, you won't gain any price if you happen to win I suppose. But maybe you can manage to get your possible gains by a friend living in another country. In case you win.

    Fr-201 Bad Wolf de coeur

    en pause indéterminée - away from the game until next interesting server

  • The situation is very complicated.

    Clearly, Travian Games cannot prevent an Italian or Spanish player from registering.

    This is because I could be an English citizen living in Italy.

    But also because in addition to the final prizes (which for example a Spanish player can not collect) there are prizes that can be collected in the game (such as successes for the career or clothing for the avatar) and these can also be earned by players excluded by law.


    I really don't know how the situation can be handled.

  • This is because I could be an English citizen living in Italy.



    So? Anyone living in Italy has to follow Italian rules.. what if it was legal for me to gamble at say 18 years old in my country and in Italy it would be 21.. do I get to enter the Italian casino b/c of my nationality? naah

  • This is because I could be an English citizen living in Italy.



    So? Anyone living in Italy has to follow Italian rules.. what if it was legal for me to gamble at say 18 years old in my country and in Italy it would be 21.. do I get to enter the Italian casino b/c of my nationality? naah

    You don't understand that the problem is, "where is the server physically?"

    Have you read the privacy rules?

    That regulation concerns Italian citizens ONLY.


    In casinos all over the world you enter at the age of 18, regardless of nationality.

    In every country in the world you can drink alcohol and buy cigarettes if you are 18 years old. Regardless of your nationality.

    In the USA you can drive a car at the age of 16. In Italy you can't do that, because you need an international driver's license. An international driving licence is obtained at the age of 18.

    Regardless of your nationality (not if you are European Union citizen).


    Do you understand the difference?

    Laws that affect everyone, laws that affect only citizens.

  • You don't understand that the problem is, "where is the server physically?"

    Yes I do, but in your answer you start to explain it does not matter where the server is since the rules are for citizens of Italy.

    Being European I start to wonder how they got such different rules while still being European.


    So I read back to your earlier post and there you confirms I am right. The regulation is about Italian soil as I posted earlier, an English citizen living in Italy can still not participate.


    But let's stop the discussion since you can not drink at age of 18 in Luxembourg (Europe) and other places.

    Being an 18 year old American in Luxembourg does not give you the right to drink while there.

    There now is many places in the USA that have a legal age of buying cigarettes of 21+.


    The laws are for anyone using those servers in Italy. Does not matter where they are born.